My Debate Notes: Albee Al

Statements:

I am setting up my open statements in 5 sections because how we read the bible would indicate how you understand the bible, there are many servants in Isaiah, which ones we talk about, and how they are talked about will fit relating my 5 sections I will be using to refute the case of the servant being Yah throughout this debate.

Logic:According to the Law of Identity in logic, A = A. This means that an entity is identical to itself and distinct from other entities. Therefore, when we see titles such as "Son of God" or "Servant of God" in passages, these titles identify the one being spoken of. For example, if someone is called the "Servant of Yah” this title identifies that person as distinct from Yah, whom they serve. Similarly, the title "Son of God" identifies the person as distinct from God which is the Father. Thus, a servant of Yah cannot be Yah Himself, as that would violate the Law of Identity by conflating the servant with the one they serve. The same logic applies to the title "Son of God" which distinguishes the Son from God who is the Father, identifying the Father as Yah, the God whom the Son serves. Otherwise, if the Son were Yah, He would be a distinct Yah from the Yah He serves, resulting in two Yah Gods.

Agency: When we see people being hinted at or alluded to as God, such as an Angel of Yah, we understand that this person is a messenger, a representative of Yah, as reflected in the definition of "Malak, meaning "messenger". In Hebrew culture, the concept of "Shaliah" meaning "sent one" or "messenger" allows that messenger to act on behalf of Yah. This means the messenger can speak and act as if he is Yah, without claiming to be Yah himself. For example, an angel might speak verbatim on behalf of Yah, making it seem as if you are dealing directly with Yah. However, the messenger is not Yah and does not claim, "I, the angel, am Yah." This is simply agency, where one person speaks on behalf of another, carrying the authority of the sender. Therefore, even if a servant or representative displays attributes similar to Yah, this does not mean they are Yah. An example of this can be seen in Zechariah 14:4, where it describes Yah’s presence touching down on the mountain and the mountain splitting. Some interpretations suggest this event is associated with Yeshua’s return. This should be understood in terms of agency: when Yeshua returns, it is believed that God is manifest in Him, but this reflects the concept that God is present in and acts through His Son, not that Yeshua is Yah Himself.

Forms of reading:

[Pardes] – Peshat, Remez, Derash, and Sod. Today we would classify these as the Biblical forms of Exegesis, how you read the Bible as we do this today. Peshat the literal immediate meaning what the passage says so when reading say for example Isaiah 45:5 – I am Yah and there is no other besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me. / This when read in the Peshat would be literally saying this Yah is a singular I first person pronoun meaning 1 person, and no other which we know is the Father by the literal reading in Isaiah 45:11 which says – Thus says Yah the holy one of Israel and the one who formed him: “Ask me of the things to come; will you command me concerning my children and the work of my hands? / Again in the immediate form of reading we see this Yah who is speaking is a parent figure. Now we see the Remez which are things that are hinted or alluded to, we may say with these verses hint to Isaiah 64:8 where it says – But now, O Yah, you are our Father, we are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hands.  / We see The Father is Yah who we are the work of his hands which correlates to Isaiah 45:9, 11, so this Yah who is the Father is God and no other besides him negates the Trinity, or the servant as a Binatarian God, only the Father. However there are other forms of reading such as Derash which you would go to teachers, commentaries, things like the Midrash, Targums, and so on. Me personally being scripture only because I believe Yah teaches us by his spirit I only hold to the Bible, but this is a form of reading in Judaism and Exegesis that is used, then we have the Sod form which is the spiritual aspects to the immediate, things that have prophetic essence to them, example: Isaiah 53 some Jews see this having immediate happening relating going into slavery being afflicted, however Trinitarians believe it is Prophetic about Yeshua, myself however believe both are true there is an immediate event pointing to the coming Messiah. Similarly we see the Exodus from Egypt being spiritual of how Yeshua frees us from the punishment of death of our sins the spiritual exodus, or the blood on the door posts and lintels, symbolic of Yeshua’s blood on us, how the spirit of death passed the houses of Israel, the fire that refines us true believers will pass over and burn up this creation.

Typology and symbolism:Typology is a method of biblical interpretation where events, persons, or institutions in the Old Testament (Tanakh) are viewed as prefigurations or types of corresponding elements in the New Testament. This means that Old Testament occurrences point forward to New Testament realities. For instance, Isaiah 53 according to some would be typology example: Trinitarian Scholar Dr. John N. Oswalt who says "Isaiah 53 does indeed speak of Israel as the servant in its immediate context, depicting the suffering and endurance of the nation. However, it also functions as a typological prophecy, pointing forward to a future fulfilment in the Messiah, who will perfectly embody the role of the suffering servant." from Dr. John N. Oswalt, "The Book of Isaiah, Chapters 40–66," New International Commentary on the Old Testament (NICOT), Eerdmans, 1998. So if Yeshua is Isaiah 53, and that servant is Yah, then Israel must be also since the context is about both Israel and Yeshua as typology, but the servant is not Yah, Israel is a servant a type of what is to come in the Messiah as a servant not a servant as God.

Heterosis, Prophetic Perfect, Prolepsis:This manner of speech is prevalent throughout the Bible when God or other speakers describe future events as if they are already accomplished. This is known as the Prophetic Perfect, Heterosis, or Prolepsis. It involves referring to future events in a way that makes them seem as though they are already completed. For instance, in Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 61, Colossians 1:15-18, creation is described in terms that suggest it is already completed, though it is future-oriented. With all this in mind using: agency, typology, prolepsis, logic, and forms of reading, the servant can not be Yah because Yah does not change and is not a man and is alone and no other besides him as God.

REBUTTALS:

- Did my opponent touch Isaiah 45:5-11 or agency or the forms of reading Pardes? - no- [suffering servant, typology in different sections Psalm 102:24-25 speaks to Yah which is indicated of David the Psalmist, however is prophetic of Yeshua I agree who speaks to Yah as the one who laid the foundations not himself, and in Isaiah 53 is of Yeshua but according to Trinitarian Scholar Dr. John N. Oswalt it is Israel in the immediate but Yeshua in prophetic, so is Israel or David also Yah.]

- Isaiah 59:16 Prolepsis prophetic relating future not immediate of messiah as a servant of Yah, I wonder if my friend believes Yeshua is not a man, since it says no man? The arm is symbolic of how God through his agents does things as we see through the bible Exodus 7:17-25 this is simply Agency God through Messiah.

- Isaiah 6:1 this falls under prolepsis and typology falling under in a vision, Isaiah sees one who when you see this person you see God representatives through out the bible. Hence Isaiah 63:9 the angel is the angel of his presence, he presents himself through agents.

- Isaiah 33:5, 10, relating Isaiah 2:11 yes Yah is lifted on high 1 Corinthians 15:27-28, the son gives all things back to Yah which is why he alone will be even by Yeshua as he is the head of Messiah.

- Isaiah 45:25, all will be justified in Yah, yes this is agency and typology and prolepsis God through his messiah reconsiling all things to himself and we see Isaiah 45:5-11 negates others and it is the Father.

- Yah is our saviour only but Yah raises saviors up Nehemiah 9:27 so yes again this is simple agency, Yah saves by his agents on his behalf who are filled with his spirit.

- You will call him YESHUA for he will save would actually be Yehoshua and these names are prophetic Yehovah Yoshia, Yehovah saves and it is through yeshua his temple.

- Adam and Eve is humanity, yes context says two persons one human or man kind, Echad relating Deuteronomy 6:2-4 is a he that is Yah, Mark 12:28-34 Yah is a he and no other beside, Echad Joshua 12:9 echad is used relating to king of ai echad one king and counts up echad multiple times as 31 because Echad is litteraly one and like our one in english takes plural when context says wood and nails make one table for example..

- God doesn’t change but his law I would like to know if you keep TORAH? By the way it doesn’t say its just his law it says “I DO NOT CHANGE”- the voice of one crying