REFUTE TORAHLESS (LAWLESS)

1) Answer ANY Lawless Argument With This Statement.
2) Matthew 15:11 - ITS NOT WHAT GOES INTO A MAN (Argument)
3) Colossians 2:16 - LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU ON MEAT, OR DRINK (Argument).
4) Colossians 2:16 - JUDGE YOU ON SHABBAT/NEW MOON/FEAST (Argument). **UPDATE MAKE CLEARER**
5) Acts 15 - Peoples don't have to keep Torah because only given few things here.

1) Answer ANY Lawless Argument With This Statement.
Statement: While taking into consideration any argument a "torah-less" person brings about Paul you can use this to shred apart those misconceptions of the scripture, start off understanding Paul's writings, Peter tells us many people have used his writings to their own destruction and gives us a run down of who they are that misrepresents Pauls writings in 2 Peter 3:15-17 - 15Consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. 16He writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. 17Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing // So notice Peter stated clearly the lawless are the ones who are ignorant and unstable who distort not only Paul's writings but the rest of scripture to their destruction that we must not be taken by their errors.  Now if you read Romans 8:1-2 - 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death. // This shows what Pauls writings are talking about in relation to laws, law of life which is spirit and the law of sin and death, which we see in Deuteronomy 30:15 - 15 “See, I have placed before you today life and [v]happiness, and death and [w]adversity, 16 in that I am commanding you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, so that you may live and become numerous, and that the Lord your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to take possession of it.  //  Moses clearly stated that life is keeping Yehovah's commandments and death and adversity is going against it, so when you know the scripture in context Paul is saying that Yehovah's law of life is his Torah, and breaking that leads to death because of sin, which we see by Paul in Romans 8:6-8 - 6The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God.  // so our mind being set on our own desires our flesh leads to sinning which is death because we want things that please our body, but the mind which is set on Spirit that keeps God's law, for the physical mind is hostile or enmity against God's law for it does not submit to God's law nor can it do so, those controlled by the flesh can not please God but those controlled by the Spirit do because they can submit to his law logically.  We further see in Romans 2:12-13 - 12 For all who have sinned [a]without the Law will also perish [b]without the Law, and all who have sinned [c]under the Law will be judged [d]by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers [e]of the Law who are [f]righteous before God, but the doers [g]of the Law who will be justified. // Again Paul clearly said those who do not have the law will perish and those who do have the law will be judged by it, for it is not those who hear the law who are declared righteous, no it is those who obey that will be justified, Paul clearly himself states we are justified by doing or obeying the law and are righteous by doing but not hearing.  Final verse on understanding Paul Romans 3:30-31 -  30 since indeed God who will justify the [a]circumcised [b]by faith and the [c]uncircumcised through faith is one.  31 Do we then nullify [d]the Law through faith? Far from it! On the contrary, we establish the Law. // So it is not by this faith we nullify the law no God forbid we establish the law, clear as day light.  So with this clear understanding of Paul he never taught against the law let us move on to more explicit verses leading up to Yeshua the Messiah (Jesus Christ) own words, firstly we need to set the context to what Yeshua was talking about in 2 Peter 3:1-13 - Beloved, this is now the second letter I am writing to you in which I am stirring up your sincere mind by way of a reminder, 2 to remember the words spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior spoken by your apostles. 3 Know this first of all, that in the last days mockers will come with their mocking, following after their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For ever since the fathers [a]fell asleep, all things continue just as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For [b]when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6 through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water. 7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly people. 8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9 The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. 10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and [c]its works will be [d]discovered. 11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what sort of people ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! 13 But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells. // I know this is a long read but the context needs to be understood, this is talking about us looking to the new creations which Yehovah promised us and that this creation is set aside for burning away, we take this in to context with Isaiah 65:17-20 - 17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to [a]mind. 18 But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing  and her people for gladness. 19 I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of weeping and the sound of crying. 20 No longer will there be [b]in it an infant who lives only a few days, Or an old person who does not [c]live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of a hundred, And the [d]one who does not reach the age of a hundred Will be thought accursed. // We see Yehovah said "I will make new heavens and new Earth" which is a promise we look forward to, the same is written of in Isaiah 66 as Yehovah says, just as there the new heavens and the new earth which I will make, so this again is in line with Revelation 21:1-4 - 1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among the people, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His [a]people, and God Himself will be among them[b], 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away.” // So do you see this, context is key, Isaiah 65 and chapter 66 talks about a future event of the new heavens and new Earth, 2 peter 3:1-13 Peter himself says we are looking forward to this event God's day of judgement when Heaven and Earth burn up in a great fire, and Revelation 21:1-4 says then, talking of the future end time I saw the new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and earth had disappeared and there was no more sea... So now to the explicit words of Yeshua with this in context to understand Yeshua sayings he said in Matthew 5:17-18 - 17 “Do not presume that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfil. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not [a]the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished! // Now you could read on past this it talks about the commandments and keeping and those who don't and teach against them, but for time and context I will stick here, notice Yeshua (Jesus) just said "until heaven and earth pass away not the smallest letter or stroke of a pen shall pass from the law until all is accomplished" well Isaiah 65 and 66 is not accomplished because this is when Heaven and Earth will pass in Revelation 21:1-4, and until this happens nothing will leave the law until then, this is the end of the argument all these verses used in context destroy the lies of the lawless because Yeshua (Jesus) just said until heaven and earth disappear nothing leaves the law, and Peter said we look forward to this event talking of God's day of judgement and Revelation 21:1 clearly show a new heaven and new earth were there is no more sea, end, done, if anyone tries to bring anything up in the bible to refute this just tell them Deuteronomy 18:18-19 talking of Yeshua who we listen to since Acts 3:19-22 says this about Jesus we must listen to him or God will hold us accountable, if you ignore his words you will be judged on judgement day.  Job 14:10-12 says - 10 But a man dies and is laid low; man breathes his last, and where is he? 11 As waters fail from a lake and a river wastes away and dries up, 12 so a man lies down and rises not again; till the heavens are no more he will not awake or be roused out of his sleep. // Why is it we see constantly that we will die to be resurrected to the end judgement and it is after this that the earth is destroyed when the heavens are no more as we see in other verses before hand.  Count the amount of perfect correlations to end time, destruction of the earth, and a new heaven and earth, and then look at Matthew 5:17-18 again nothing leaves the law until heaven and earth disappear, and that happens when we have died and are resurrected into the Kingdom when the old heavens and earth are no longer, so until then nothing leaves the law fact.
 

2) Matthew 15:11 - ITS NOT WHAT GOES INTO A MAN (Argument)
Answer: Firstly this has a few answers 1) the context is starting with traditions, the Pharisees had traditions outside the law of washing cups, pans, and how you wash your hands before you eat, which is not part of the law hence in Matthew 15:3 Yeshua (Jesus) said why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition, before this their argument was eating bread with unwashed hands not eating unclean meats. 2) Yeshua (Jesus) himself says in Matthew 15:20 that it is “but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile he person.” so it contextually had nothing to do with with pork, do you honestly think Yeshua (Jesus) was saying I have to fulfil the law of God to live it out but everyone else can eat pork and shellfish even though it goes against God’s law? Yeshua would be breaking his own word in Matthew 5:19 – which is 10 chapters before Matthew 15, and Yeshua (Jesus) himself states “therefore, who ever nullifies one of the least of these commandments and teaches others so shall be called least in the Kingdom of heaven, but who ever keeps and teaches them, he shall be great in the Kingdom of heaven.” So Yeshua (Jesus) explicitly said if you speak against the law and also break you are least, so do you think Yeshua spoke against the law? This would be breaking the law because Yeshua would have lied by saying one thing but he himself said eating pork according to the Torah-less (lawless) it is not eating pork or unclean meats that defiles you, that is how they see it, but clearly the context has nothing to do with these unclean meats because if it did Yeshua would have said one thing in Matthew 5:17-20 and then said something totally different in Matthew 15. 
Additional:  1 Peter 4:3-6  shows that people of the world the Gentiles were judging the true believers for not doing what they did which was "sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry."  It goes on to say that they judged people for not doing this in verse 4 "they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you;"  So when Matthew, Paul and others say anything relating people judging relating celebrations, food and drink it is clearly relating this the gentile pagans who are being judgemental.

3) Colossians 2:16 - LET NO MAN JUDGE YOU ON MEAT, OR DRINK (Argument).
Answer: Looking at this first just see who it is written to in Colossians who clearly would have been judged by the people in their own area for taking on Shabbat, no longer eating unclean meats and meats sacrificed to false gods, they wouldn’t say let no man judge you on not eating things when in Acts 15 they clearly stated what you can not eat, so they would have essentially been judging in relation to meats by saying this Acts 15:20 - “Instead we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from meat of strangled animals and from blood.” So they clearly by context of the Bible are not saying you can eat anything, because if they were then the Apostles at the council of Jerusalem would have laid a judgement on them by telling them not to eat some meats and blood and foods polluted to idols, either the apostles are hypocrites or the historic background is clearly the pagans of the area of Colossians judging, not only them but also the Ebionites were said to be judgemental over herbs and meats else where which I will be doing an argument on in another point, but they were vegans and likely judging people because they ate meat, not unclean meat, but meat in general Romans 14:1-3.
Additional:  1 Peter 4:3-6  shows that people of the world the Gentiles were judging the true believers for not doing what they did which was "sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry."  It goes on to say that they judged people for not doing this in verse 4 "they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you;"  So when Matthew, Paul and others say anything relating people judging relating celebrations, food and drink it is clearly relating this the gentile pagans who are being judgemental.

 

4) Colossians 2:16 - JUDGE YOU ON SHABBAT/NEW MOON/FEAST (Argument).  **UPDATE MAKE CLEARER**
Answer: It talks here on Shabbats and new moons and feasts, again it is the same argument answer, the pagans were likely being judgemental over them coming to truth, which we see in the book of Galatians 4:8-12 – 8) “Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9) But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10) You are observing special days and months, and seasons and years. 11) I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain. 12) I beg you become like me, for I became like you. You Did me no wrong.” So look at the context, you are keeping special days, if they why would they say give up special days? And then Paul said be like him, but Paul kept the special days, Shabbats and feasts of God in the Bible in Acts 20:6 (Feast of Unleavened Bread), and in 1 Corinthians 5:7-8 (Christ the Passover lamb and Feast of Unleavened Bread with bread not filled with malice or wickedness.) It wouldn’t make sense for Paul to say you used to follow pagan gods or false gods, but now you are known by God and these people were turning back to the pagan things the worthless things, do you wish to be enslaved by false gods again? And if he says “I BEG YOU BE LIKE ME”, and he kept the true feasts of God, if he was to say that you don’t have to keep the feasts and Shabbat days, when he said be like me and he did keep them, that wouldn’t make any sense what so ever. So it is clear Paul who kept the Feast of Unleavened Break, the Passover and he rushed past Ephesus to get to Jerusalem for (Pentecost) Acts 20:16 it just makes no sense contextually to what Yeshua (Jesus) said Matthew 7:21-23 about lawlessness, and then Paul said be like him but he kept feasts and remember this is in relation to meats and drink as well in relation to feats, meat, Shabbats, new moons and so on, Peter did not eat unclean meats. Final notes: If the Shabbat is gone then why in Isaiah 56 does Yehovah talk of the new covenant that is to come when his righteousness is revealed and salvation comes that the Foreigners will keep the Shabbat and from profaning the covenant? Are you saying Paul taught against the very word of prophecy of the future that Yehovah said through Isaiah? How about when we read Zechariah 14:16 that explicitly talks of end times how all people will come to Jerusalem to worship the King, Yehovah and keep the Feast of Sukkot, are you saying God changes his mind? So up to Jesus people kept the Feast and even after, then all of a sudden the feasts and Shabbats stopped but in the Kingdom we will all keep the Feasts again, that is a change of mind and laws.
Additional:  1 Peter 4:3-6  shows that people of the world the Gentiles were judging the true believers for not doing what they did which was "sensuality, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry."  It goes on to say that they judged people for not doing this in verse 4 "they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you;"  So when Matthew, Paul and others say anything relating people judging relating celebrations, food and drink it is clearly relating this the gentile pagans who are being judgemental.

5) Acts 15 - Peoples don't have to keep Torah because only given few things here.
Answer: (in update use these verse: Acts 13:16 "Gentiles learning on Shabbat" in relation to Acts 15:19-21 "for they will hear the law every shabbat" in verse 21.  Also see 2 peter 3:15-17 Peter saying the Lawless distort Pauls writings.) -- UPDATE SOON